onsideman
8:29 Mon Jan 22
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Manuel 6:25 Mon Jan 22
Agree with that entirely.
The woeful officiating shouldn't cloud the main issue. We couldn't find our own men with simple passes, had 35% possession, were out-passed, out-run, out-tackled and conceded more shots to the team rock borrom of the league who, prior to that game, were averaging a tally that would've seen them end the season on 17 points
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El Scorchio
8:16 Mon Jan 22
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fraser 7:11
Indeed, and the claim of him missing the ball seems like utter clutching at straws to explain it away. That situation happens week in week out. It's not like he even went through him or cleaned him out in real time, let alone on replay when it was completely obvious their player not only impeded him but elbowed him in the face.
It may have been tough for the ref in real time, but how on earth can the replay officials not spot that? Or did they just not look? Because anyone who actually does look at that properly can only come to one conclusion. That it's a foul on Areola.
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Northern Sold
8:01 Mon Jan 22
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https://www.skysports.com/football/sheff-utd-vs-west-ham/report/482800
Ambrose and Ashton
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/13053969/ref-watch-dermot-gallagher-analyses-jarrod-bowen-penalty-ivan-toney-free-kick-and-more-from-the-premier-league
Dermot Gallagher - Bowen should have been awarded a penalty
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Fauxstralian
7:56 Mon Jan 22
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Said to someone today that giving BREWSTER a yellow was possibly even a worse decision than the two penalty nonsense decisions.
If you cant see that two footed launch as a red from 5 yds away then you might as well give it away.
How is Howard Webb still in a job?
Mike Dean and Lee Mason gone (both also binned from VAR because they cant even get things right watching 6 times on tv) and still he has managed to make the standard of refereeing worse.
Like Moyes said I think most have just given up on seeing any level of basic competence
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Side of Ham
7:56 Mon Jan 22
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I had a Toney on it Sold….
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Northern Sold
7:51 Mon Jan 22
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The two pen decisions yesterday were fucking outrageously shit.... I mean almost like someone had money on the game outrageously shit...
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zico
7:29 Mon Jan 22
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As per what others have said was baffled with the officiating, this place would have had a meltdown anyway if it had been running yesterday. One thing that's forgotten is when Areola gave the penalty away by having someone else elbow him in the face the clock stood just over 98 minutes. The free kick itself was over the 6 minutes added time so where does the extra two minutes come from? What surprised me was the Referee didn't blow up straight after their penalty. Bowen being wrestled to the ground clear penalty, and how the Referee or indeed his Assistant who was only 5 yards away not see that tackle on Emerson as a straight red on first showing was baffling. You don't need VAR to work that out.
That said first half was poor and we were second best for a fair bit of the second against it has to be said a crap side. Wondered what on earth Moyes was up to playing Ings as a number 10 but to be fair he had a decent game, not a long term solution though obviously. Johnson was laughing himself when he told the team he was in central midfield, but bizarrely did really well. Been impressed with Johnson last few appearances but again not a long term solution. Kudus and Paqueta play along with a fully fit Bowen we probably win that game so some surgery desperately needed on the squad.
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Ron Eff
7:24 Mon Jan 22
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Oh, and there was a challenge by their keeper on Ings very early in the first half when I said at the time to my Dad I’m not sure why keepers get a free pass when starfish jumping at an attacker, missing the ball and colliding with the player. I accepted I was being biased and that would have been harsh, but it was much more a fucking foul than Areola’s!
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Ron Eff
7:21 Mon Jan 22
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As is always the case, it was all summarised perfectly by Joe Cole, who even if lacking standard media eloquence always talk sense.
When the overrated Laura Woods said “the next decision to review, the red card which we agree the ref got right”, he responds “well no he didn’t get it right because you shouldn’t need VAR to see that’s a red card”
A shocker of a challenge. That breaks and ankle or snaps an achilles if his foot is planted. From a Chadwell Heath boy as well.
The penalty decisions are so blatantly and horrendously wrong that there is no point analysing. I suspect he’ll be stood down from officiating for a couple of weeks.
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Nutsin
7:11 Mon Jan 22
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How on earth did they not call a penalty on Bowen at the end?
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fraser
7:11 Mon Jan 22
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They claimed it was because he came and missed the ball, but it looked like they were both missing the ball as too high and over both of them...
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El Scorchio
6:58 Mon Jan 22
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boleyn8420 6:18
Yup- agree with that. I happened to watch the MOTD analysis and they were really scathing of the officiating. They didn't really play it back during the match on TNT but slow mo (as the VAR crew should have had access to) it's an astonishing decision and it was actually far worse than i thought. As you say Areola is the one fouled if anything. For VAR not to have had a bloody good look at that is insane.
I thought Areola maybe was clumsy but even so you see keepers do the same thing week in week out. Actually he takes an elbow to the face and is impeded from getting to the ball. How the officials can see otherwise is at best bewildering and at worst rather worrrying.
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pdbis
6:36 Mon Jan 22
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Manuel, I thought we won 2-1 at Luton.
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Manuel
6:25 Mon Jan 22
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We won 0-1 at Luton and they had a stonewall last min, we won 1-2 at Burnley with 2 very late goals, yesterday Moyes's luck run out, go fuck yourself Moyes. There was a 20 min spell yesterday where we resembled a park side, fucking woeful. Deserved fuck all.
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boleyn8420
6:18 Mon Jan 22
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So our goalkeeper comes out and punches thin air and yet gets an elbow in the face from the forward, causing a bloodied lip and the ref gives a penalty. For what, self-harming in the fucking area. When I watched this I thought, as with EVERY other challenge on a goalkeeper, that it would be a free kick to us. No VAR for a clear and very fucking obvious error. Then up the other end Bowen gets rugby tackled and he gives nothing at all for a clear and obvious penalty.
For both contentious and WRONG decisions why did it not go to VAR.
And as for that fat northern twat Chris Wilder saying the late high studs up two footed challenge from Brewster wasn’t even a red card is beyond me. Even then the twat of a ref gave initially a yellow, what game was this inept prick watching, he was only 5 yards away.
FFS
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pdbis
6:11 Mon Jan 22
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If that were one of the so-called big teams playing Sheffield Utd yesterday the two penalty decisions would've gone their way. I remember 2 or 3 seasons ago Manchester Utd was awarded a penalty at Brighton after the final whistle had been blown.
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5:46 Mon Jan 22
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Nothing wrong with the technology rather it’s the inconsistency of human implementation that is, as ever, the issue.
The technology cat is out of the bag and here to stay.
Btw, Coufal is an idiot for his first yellow. Serves him if he loses his starting place for the rest of the season.
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Sir Alf
4:58 Mon Jan 22
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If u gonna have VAR you gotta use it pretty much for any incident in the box. Now other refs are saying they thought it was a handball by Bowen and that he initiated the pulling ? That his they say the mistake was made so in one breath it’s a pen but trying to excuse the officials. So as usual it’s not VAR but those using or not using it. So did they agree with the ref after looking at the footage or not ? That’s what would be interesting ? If they didn’t they were wrong not to and the question is why? If they did but just let it go then still wrong and pure incompetence or not understanding the game etc? The ref what himself and they let him make the error as he’s gonna upset a voiciferous home crowd in the last minute. Also knows it’s not one of the teams that the corporate sponsors back ( rich 5 or 6 ) so will get less grief even if it’s a wrong decision.
Simply comes down to the root cause of all human issues …. Fear !! Bad design our primeval instinct. Great when ur a caveman but kicks in far too easy, releases adrenaline too and you shit yer self :-(
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1964
4:53 Mon Jan 22
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From the Mail:
MARK CLATTENBURG: VAR got Sheffield United's late penalty against West Ham VERY wrong during bonkers draw at Bramall Lane... and it's astounding how Jarrod Bowen wasn't given a spot kick for the Hammers
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violator
4:46 Mon Jan 22
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Swap Bowen and Bramall Lane for Salah and Anfield and we all know the outcome, and that fucking stinks.
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ragingbull
4:33 Mon Jan 22
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Match of the day saying Mcbunny should have had a yellow or worse for the pen. Bowen was 50/50 could have gone either way
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